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shooting spiraled so quickly. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source so much for the us supreme court rolling abortion rights back 50 years arizona just punch the flux capacitor and time traveled back to 18, 64, not 1964 18, 64? yes during the civil war, a year before before slavery was even abolished with the 13th amendment. it's also before the discovery of penicillin x-rays or antibiotics but the arizona supreme court ruled today and he 160 year-old law banning abortions at any point in pregnancy he can be enforced. >> that >> means that in two weeks from now, air abortion, abortions in that state in arizona will be illegal. there are no exceptions for rape or incest in this 18-60 for law. >> the >> only exception is if the mother's life is in danger and

even that is not a block white decision and it often comes with its own complications, as we know, keep in mind that when this law was written, women could not vote the idea of women even owning their own home was still a novel concept in some states. and speaking of states, arizona wasn't one yet less than 10,000 people lived in what was then known as the arizona territory today, more than 7 million people do. that includes republican senate candidate and a contender to be donald trump's vice president if he's the president and the republican nominee, kari lake, she rushed out a statement and it reads in quote, i part in part and i'm quoting her now. i opposed today's ruling, but that statement requires a lot of contexts, given it wasn't that long ago that she said this about the very law that is set to go into effect. >> we have a great law on the books right now that happens, we will be a state where we will not be taking the lives of our unborn anymore. i'm

incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. i believe it's ars 13, so it will prohibit get abortion in arizona, except to save the life of a mother and i think we're going to be setting the paving the way and setting course for other states to follow she even cited exactly which law it was like of though, of course is far from being the only arizona republican who is >> trying to distance themselves from today's ruling. republican congressman wants as kimani has gone from saying, quote, i applaud the supreme court's decision to overturn roe versus wade to calling today's ruling a disaster for women. of course, the overturning of roe versus wade paid the way for what happened today. at the state level, republican state representative matt grez says today's quote, ruling cannot stand but it was just last year that he was pushing a bill to declare fetuses as people

obviously would make abortion illegal. >> here's >> also something that's interesting in light of today's decision. arizona's former republican governor doug do see added two seats in a successful effort to stack the state supreme court in all he appointed five of the seven justices who ruled today. doug doozy said what happened today is not his preferred outcome >> but remember >> this, the 15 week law that he did sign, which he said today he believed it would be a better option. >> included >> this specific language not to repeal, by implication are other ones vice the very 18 64 law that will soon go into effect. there's a simple reason that so many republicans are racing to revise their previous positions. the state's 11 electoral votes, a number that could very well decide who the next president will be. especially now that arizona could soon be the first swing-state with abortion on the ballot. this fall, given abortion rights, advocates say that they do have the signatures to give voters a

direct say on this issue, come november. my source tonight on what happens now and what this means is nancy northrop, the president and the ceo for the center there for reproductive rights it's great to have you here because i think just looking at this and from people are trying to grasp. but an 18, 64 laws, as soon going to be the law of the land. >> what does this >> mean for women in arizona in two weeks? >> well, that's the most important point. >> it >> could be very devastating once it goes into effect that we don't actually you know, exactly when that's going to be, but very devastating. i mean, we've seen it in other states like texas and the other states that have banned abortion, that it makes it dangerous for anyone to be pregnant in the state of arizona, it means if you have a pregnancy complication, your doctor is going to be worried about criminal prosecution, not how can they give you the best of care? sure. so it is very, very, very significant. a horrible decision today from the supreme court of arizona. >> i mean, is there any other just the idea that it is from the 1800s before penicillin was

a thing before antibiotics were a thing before women can even vote and really have a say in something like this. i think kind of just blows your mind to think that that is going to be the law, whether it's in two weeks and 45 days whenever the actual enforcement goes into place, i just think it's the premise of a law from the 1800s being what's going to govern this is kinda mind-blowing >> well exactly neither the practice of medicine nor the rights of women in 18, 64 are what they should be today. it is really problematic. but as you mentioned arizonans are going to have an opportunity they should to be able to vote for abortion rights in november this year on the ballot and that's absolutely huge. so everyone who's outraged by today's decision should go to a arizonans for abortion access and see what they can do to help get the rights back in arizona. >> well, what does it mean in the practical term though, because the attorney general for the state was saying that

we're not going to prosecute doctors under this law. but i wonder realistically what that means because it could be challenged at the county line level. i think when doctors are trying to make a decision about is the life of the mother at risk here if they delay care that can often lead to damaging consequences for these women, maybe potentially infertility even. >> yeah. i mean, it's an important statement by the attorney general of arizona that she doesn't believe it could be prosecuted, but that doesn't allow for doctors and nurses and all the people that help with abortion care be off the hook. remember this is the >> practice of medicine medical malpractice insurance. your insurance has to be covered. all of that. so it is deeply problematic if this law stays on the books again, which is why it's so important that everyone start focusing on what to do in november to get the right to abortion back in the state of arizona needs, you know what i want you to stay with us because obviously this decision also was a massive

political earthquake today. and for the consequences of that, what that could mean, we also have joining us cnn anchor and the most of the cnn podcast, the assignment audie cornish and aaron carmona, a senior correspondent for new york magazine and the author of the upcoming book unbearable, being pregnant and america in audie we were just starting to show last night with donald trump's vague statement about how he feels about abortions he kinda thought that that took this issue off the table a lot for him, but but i mean, i wonder what you make of how today's decision alters that. well, i think one of the >> things you heard him say a he did allude to elections specifically, so he knows the stakes and he knows that he doesn't think it's a winning issue for republicans, but also the idea of leaving it to states is sort of a row era political decision in a post dobbs political atmosphere, which means nobody is contend to leave well enough alone at the state level. if you are an anti-abortion activists, you want to go a little bit further. you want that restriction a little bit

tighter or all the way out, if you are for abortion rights, you see the opportunity in the window to put this in front of voters and finally, make good on what you've been saying publicly, which is that people do support abortion rights to some degree. and in many ways. and so no one has any incentive to back down here. i don't know how you feel about it or in well, >> i mean, we're seeing arizona is now joining all of these other states that have these really restrictive bans put in place where basically abortion is just not an option for women. and we've seen the political ramifications for that. i mean, there's a reason republicans are freaking out today's because they know it is rewarded. democrats for the last few years, >> i mean, if it isn't the consequences of their actions for years. they have used this as a political ploy without fully grappling with the fact one that poll after poll, even before any vote was taken, shows that abortion rights are enormously popular in the united states. and to that the ramifications of these laws go from people who just want to not be pregnant, which was a

constitutional right until dobbs all the. way to people who very much wanted to be pregnant and need medical care. you mentioned, uh, both of you talked about how doctors have to make this decision, whether to put their career, their institutions, their lives on the line you're imprisonment is at stake and the arizona law so i think we've people have actually seen in the last two years almost what these actually mean in practice before they were political talking points that republicans never actually had to suffer the real life ramifications of. now, you have cases like those brought by the center for reproductive rights, in which women became septic we're bleeding out in parking lots were denied, even exceptions that would have qualified under the law and people understand that. i mean, there's there's research showing that many individuals actually directly know someone who has been affected by these laws when we leave it to the states from a political standpoint, it also means that leaving it to the states becomes defined by the most extreme states such as

texas. and if this goes into effect now arizona well, and i wonder how that works for donald trump's adi, because yesterday he did it make a mention. he was saying it should be left up to the states or that it will be left up to the states. but he didn't make a mention of the states that what arizona's going to have now, which is no exceptions for the things left out of that statement is actually quite long, right? it's not like he was talking about well, what about transferring medical abortion pills across state lines? what about state sovereignty laws? does texas a state or arizona's state trump somebody else's if they crossed our lines, what about enforcement? what about what about what about that list doesn't end? and the truth is, if there is a trump second term with the chief of his fda, b, for abortion rights. with the chief of doj going after one state or another. somehow all of a sudden before abortion rights. i think the answer is no. so it does kind of

greenlight a whole pipeline of other decisions because he didn't really say what he won't or we'll do. it was just a vague sense of like, you know, this will take care of itself when we know there is an active movement to supply his administration a potential administration with people who do support these kinds of laws. >> well is this something that you think we could see health care providers not wanting to practice and arizona because of a law like this, if it stays employ absolutely. >> we've already seen it in idaho. they've lost half of their maternal fetal specialists have left the state. people are choosing not to practice obstetric care in states where there are abortion bans because they cannot care for their patients for all the needs of their patients. and so it is going to impact all of these states. it's also impacting everything in states like who wants to go there to work to begin with because it's hard to live in a state where your decisions about your reproductive autonomy are not

guaranteed. >> it's the northrop, audie cornish are in carmen. thank you all for being here tonight to talk about an incredibly important reeling from the arizona supreme court after the break, we're going to go back to straight to the source with the group that is fighting to restore the right an abortion in arizona they have a ballot measure. this november plus will have a reporter with today's scoop on the state's marquee senate race covering it for months. now, this decision today is just totally offended that race >> news night with abdullah tonight at tim eastern on cnn >> we'll ram. >> and when trucks or what? >> you do >> truck month better than anyone else you do trucks that work harder play harder. can you do trucks that when by breaking every rule? when a truck should be >> so this truck >> month, would you should do is drive around trucks. so what we do during ram truck must get

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>> but if our next source tonight, you choose her >> goal, women will have their say on the ballot this november. don pennant just helping lead the charge to get an abortion rights measure on the ballot and he joins me now and don, it's great to have you especially on a day like today. and i know your group said that it had enough signatures to get on the ballot before today's ruling. but what has been the response that you've heard since then? >> well, i can tell you that the phones have been ringing off the hook of people who have certainly known about our measure for the last few months. but now with the news of this ruling, are newly energized and raged and motivated to come out and sign petitions, volunteer with our campaign. so this has definitely we made ripples across the state. >> and can you walk me through why you're waiting until july to turn the signatures in, if you believe that you have enough now to get this on the ballot >> in arizona citizens initiatives go through a lot of legal challenges that happens to every type. and we certainly

anticipate that it will happen to ours where anti-abortion extremist, the opposition tried to throw out voters signatures. so for that reason, we want to collect about double what is required to really make sure that we leave no risk of not being on the november ballot >> okay. so you wanna make sure that you have enough i mean, do expect there to be a lot of challenges when it comes to we've seen this happen in ohio where it's the actual language, it's in the measure on the ballot that sometimes we heard critic say it's meant to confuse voters i mean, what do you expect that to look like when it comes to november, given what we're seeing, you know, the difference and the importance of that measure by today's ruling >> we have been prepared for lawsuit litigation from anti-abortion extremists since day one. so we anticipate they will challenge our language. they will chat bellinger signatures we feel very confident in both of those things, but that said, we don't want to leave any

chances. and so we will be laser-focused on succeeding in all of these legal steps and in signature collection. so that arizona voters get to right this wrong for you personally i mean, you obviously believe that women should have this option given the fight to get this on the ballot. but i wonder how today changed your calculation in this sense of your drive to get this done? >> well, we were always preparing for the worst, hoping for the best. and today the worst happened so we have always been motivated but this definitely, yes, it ramps it up. it really drives it home. i've seen tears today hugs, but after for all of that, i've also seen people saying, now i'm getting out there even harder than before, even more frequently collecting double the signatures i set out to collect. so people are very motivated don pentateuch, it's

great to hear from you and get that perspective tonight will obviously be paying very close attention to this going forward thank you for your time. >> thanks. >> this historic decision by the supreme court has just fundamentally altered the stakes of the states senate race. that race was already important. it could be one of the most important contest in determining control of that chamber. and i'm joined tonight by the washington correspondent for new york magazine, olivia newsy, who did some fantastic reporting on the ground with the last several months on this very race for her new article out today, arizona's split reality and olivia so now, obviously, this was going to determine potentially the balance of power the senate anyway, you've months with kari lake, who is the republican candidate and ruben gallego, the democrat >> how much to think >> this blows up what that race was looking like? did you ever hear anyone talk about abortion when you're on the right? >> mostly talking about the border and talking about immigration. the economy is a close second in terms of what arizona voters say that they care most about next to the

border. those were the two major issues and abortion didn't really come up too much, but that will obviously change now. yeah. >> i mean, ruben gallego, after kari lake was distancing herself from the decision saying she opposes it? >> he >> claimed that she's as extreme as politician forcing herself and to the doctor's office, ripping away the right for women to make their own health care decisions. i mean, just based on what you witnessed, what you saw, how will it change the race? >> well, i mean, the whole race is really ruben gallego saying, i'm a reasonable person, and kari lake is not unreasonable person. she's an extremist as he said today. and kari lake saying, basically the same thing about ruben gallego saying that joe biden and ruben gallego are one and the same that they are responsible for any number of hills plaguing america from crime to the crisis at the border and that everything is their fault so it's really just needs two opposition general realities that they're both sort of proxies for. and what did you hear when you go to their events and you speak to voters and see how their taking in

those oppositional realities, people that show up to events for politicians are typically leaning towards that politician. there they're not like your average voter. most normal people well, don't go to a politician speech in the middle of a workday or something which is when they're often held. but it was interesting. i was with kari lake in green valley, which is about 40 miles from the border. and she was speaking to match lab and ritchie mercedes schlapp match luck from cpac and they both work for the trump campaign, are trying to get her elected i didn't think too much of this at the time, but it made me think of it today when i heard kari lake say during her governor's race that they had a great law on the books. >> and >> she was asked a question about inflation and it wasn't that she couldn't answer. it was like she did not want to have to talk about it. and she kept nudging match lab to take the question for her. eventually, he seemed to get the point and he answered the question. i just start today. it seemed like a remarkable shallowness to her understanding of policy and

she's been able to get away so far being this sort of maga celebrity being a very shallow campaigner and it's all about objects and it's all about how much she is like donald trump. i don't know if that's going to work now, there was an interesting moment where steve bannon was watching her give a speech and she's been moderating her behavior or language to a degree, i would say, and we're seeing that happened today would now what she's it's totally reversing how she feels about it. but you kind of have this, whether you summed up speaking with her as you always have a way with words, you said talking to kari lake feels like performing open-heart surgery on a balloon animal. not >> easy. >> what what is it that for people who aren't well versed and sener, what makes it so hard? >> they've got a camera over your shoulder? the whole time her husband is heard cinematographer. and in fairness, you're recording the interview as a reporter. so they wanted to record it as well by all means, you don't really have a good argument against is just a little awkward and the threat is not if it doesn't go well. in their words, they will release

the tape and you will be party to this active search on you before you interviewed her, she printed out everything that you had. she does do some research about donald >> yeah, she did it was i've been in that situation before as you can imagine, precisely that situation. so it wasn't that surprising and i was expecting she wants to draw you into a fight so that she can present that kari lake, just like donald trump. is under attack by the liberal media and so the whole game when you're interviewing her, not totally dissimilar to what trump is you're trying not to activate her and set her off and allow her to kind of drag you into a back-and-forth that will make for good content olivia newsy, it's great reporting and very timely with what happened today. thank you for joining us tonight >> speaking of donald trump, his fate as soon going to be in >> the hands of 12 everyday new yorkers. here how will they be chosen and why? my next guest says that the jury selection process is not pickleball. it's warfare let's see an

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get 50% off plus free shipping >> donald trump's attempts to delay his criminal hush money case here in new york have now been denied twice in two days, which means the right now, arguing the other delay tactics that could be successful, this historic trial well is set to kick off next week, next monday, and it all is going to start with jury selection. maybe that doesn't sound like it's going to be a fundamental part of this process, but it will, because 12 pupil are going to be picked out of a pool of hundreds of new yorkers. and those 12 people will eventually determine the innocence or the guilt of the first former us president to ever face a criminal prosecution, making it a jury

selection like no other or the words my next guest. this is not some casual game of pickleball. this is warfare. >> elie honig is here. he has cnn's senior legal analyst, any four assistant us attorney for the southern district of new york. so it knows a thing or two about juries. >> and i mean, you just the idea that there are hundreds of potential jurors. they're all people that have i would say pretty probably well-formed opinions of donald trump. how do you pick a jury for donald trump? >> so caitlin, a grizzled, old, tough defense lawyer said to me when i was a brand new, prosecutors said jury selections, the whole ballgame, and i later learned he's right. so here's how this is going to work. we're going to start with a panel of several hundred potential jurors. the judges said he's going to ask them, first of all, do any of you have hardships and i don't just mean do you have a job, but do you have some reason you cannot serve over the next several weeks and the judges said he's going to essentially let them all go, then we're gonna get into the questionnaire. and at this point, the lawyers are going to start their strategy games trying to figure out who is who after the questionnaires are filled out, you're going to see some jurors removed by the

judge. what we call for cause, meaning there just to bias, they can't put aside their strong feelings for or against donald trump. and then the real strategy game is each side gets ten, what we call peremptory strikes, meaning you can remove up to ten people for almost just any reason, not racially discriminatory reason, but almost any reason. and you have to be so careful at those because those peremptory challenges are like gold. that is the best way you can protect your jury and you only get ten of those? yes, ten h because you're looking through this. i mean, jurors aren't stupid. they know why you're asking them these questions. what if they just say no, i don't have strong opinions about this feasibly they could write so much of this is a game of instincts and your gut, what your gut tells you. i mean, first of all, you're going to start with the questionnaire. you need to see what their responses are. and if i'm looking at this questionnaire, there's a question on there too, number 34 that basically says do you have any biases that are so strong that you cannot possibly be a fair juror in this case either way. now, if anyone answers yes to that, they're gone. but plenty of

people are going to answer no to that because they're going to think, well, maybe i have biases, but i can still be fair, but i'd be very skeptical of that. and so there are other questions on the questionnaire that i think are telling what media sources did you have? are you a member of any organizations? and i will tell you, you just look at the person. what are they wearing? are they holding a book? what are they reading? you're trying to read into everything you can about this person to get some read on them. >> did you argue until the end of a trial and kinda want to kick yourself because that one person was the one juror up ended your efforts. >> you are bringing back a memory. i had one on specific case. sounds good. i don't actually know this is good. you're tapping in here. yeah i did one case. it was john gotti. i can say john gaudi junior and the jury ended up hanging and we had a juror who was a teacher, and we felt was great for us. we thought she was leading the charge towards conviction. she was nodding when i gave my closing argument, it turned out she was dead set against us the whole and she was the reason the jury hung so yeah, it's not easy. and i made a mistake there. here we are years later. i still remember that, but that's the stakes in this case. you make one mistake.

you'll be talking about is 60 from now. she was nodding and you >> thought you had her she knew what she was doing, what she meant. well, how much she >> not again, i don't i still >> call it out whether >> it will bring her on next, leo? >> thank you we do have some breaking news >> this hour is the former house speaker, kevin mccarthy is defending his role and bringing back donald trump from the political wilderness after january 6. this is a georgetown university event that we've been monitoring tonight was focused on american democracy but mccarthy pushed back in an audience member who asked if he felt to any degree that he had turned his back on democracy because as the way this question or put it, mccarthy went to mar-a-lago in quotes, stood beside a person who after many frivolous lawsuits were thrown out, you said this is still the guy who should be leading our party >> did i go to mar-a-lago? yes, but that hadn't i didn't say that at mar-lago for that basis, right. so that's not

true. i also have another philosophy whether i like you or dislike you, if something bad happens in your life, i want to be the first person to call, you know, you play anything you want into me going think the mar-a-lago, but i simply got a phone call and i was down there doing a fundraiser. would i come by and see the president >> i'm joined now by adam kinzinger, who served on the congressional january 6 committee. and as a senior political commentator here at cnn and congressman, when you listen to that, where he was saying, you know, he's the kind of person it would just goes to check on france. >> how do you hear that >> it's pathetic. it's pathetic. i mean, look, i'm not saying this for sympathy, but during the january 6 stuff my family and i we're getting death threats. do now, how many times i heard as a former friend of kevin mccarthy from kevin mccarthy, none. steady called liz cheney and i pelosi republicans kevin mccarthy went to mar-a-lago. caitlin for one

reason, he needed to become speaker and he knew that he didn't have time to take out the maga and he wanted to win. he needed them, so he went down to enlist the help of donald trump for fundraising, which donald trump help them with and to get donald trump on his side as a political player. so he could become speaker. >> that's it. and in that process, it was like a ambulance showing up to a person in cardiac arrest. he thought the paddles to donald trump and brought him back to political life. and this, by the way, is just a few weeks after he said that donald trump was responsible for january 6 after capital lease officer died on january 6 after numerous capitol police officers were assaulted and beat up on january 2 but he has no choice because he made his bed. now we have to lay in it and he is lying to himself in the american people by saying that's why he went, >> well, there was also the photo that came out. i mean,

that was how so many of us knew about this meeting was. >> there was the >> photo of the two of them together that we're showing it right now. really seem to also resurrect trump what a time when a lot of republicans were for turning their backs on him >> look, i'm going to tell you in the conference, so in the republican house members, at least i know this, there was shock when that photo appeared. i was on several text chains with members of congress gooding those that voted to impeach, shocked that kevin went to mar-a-lago. liz cheney writes about this in her book where she then called kevin and he said he went down because trump wasn't eating. he told the rest of us that he went down because he just happened to be there on a fundraiser and you wanted to see a friend? but we know now because just after he visited donald trump there was a fundraising website that came up that kevin mccarthy launched called trump's majority, focused on getting the republican majority, not the republican majority. trump's majority. he knew

exactly what he was doing. and now he's trying you gotta have a much bigger your pen to rewrite this history than standing in front of georgetown students in line to them because they can see right through this. >> i forgot about that. liz cheney. the liz cheney quote in her book that he told her it was because trump wasn't eating adam kinzinger. thank you for hopping on with a so quickly on this breaking news you bet another story we're covering here tonight. this source is this new and disturbing police body camera video that came out today. it shows the chaos leading up to that deadly shooting that has been in the news. a police sergeant is here to break it down with us. even if the suspect did fire first is police are now saying 96 shots and 41 when seconds is that too much, we'll talk about it right after a quick break >> when barbarous was to turbotax, i wrote four generations of family tradition. >> i want to make perfume so i mean barbers, new psychic counts by guaranteeing her

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traffic stop tonight, new bodycam video shows the moment that officers encountered dexter reed, a 26 year-old black man police say that he was pulled over for not wearing a seat belt and as you'll see on the bodycam video, the situation quickly escalates. >> i do >> want to warn you that what you're about to see is difficult to watch. but we're showing it to you because there are growing questions tonight over what actually happened in the amount of firepower that is coming from these officers? >> well, the windows, wanted all roll the window down >> what are you doing >> all this will not rolling that one down to one. >> don't roll the window up, don't roll the window up. do not roll the window light >> the doors locked the doors all right the door open

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>> first sought for shot. but from cnn's review of the footage, it is not immediately clear who fired first-year >> what we do >> know is that reid was found face down behind his car and had been struck multiple times he was later pronounced dead at the hospital police found a gun inside of his car in the front passenger seat, joining me tonight to talk about what we just saw. there is retired lapd police sergeant cheryl dorsey and sgt. dorsey. >> when you hear the 96 shots that were fired in those 41 seconds. >> what >> questions does it raise for you given what we are told by police tonight that this was all just over a traffic stop of someone. they say who wasn't wearing a seat belt? >> well, listen as a patrol supervisor myself and someone who's had to evaluate uses of force. what i hear is overkill. i hear officers who are seemingly didn't have a tactical plan. number one, number two work assessing whether or not there was even a

threat. and does it still exist? we're told that they fired 96 shots, so i don't know how many rounds each officer carries, but let's just do the math and say each officer has the ability to carry 15 rounds in a magazine in their duty weapon and they fire all 15 rounds. that means somebody reloaded. their weapon and continue to fight hi are so where was the threat? what was the exigent circ*mstance that caused this initial gunfire to erupt in the first place. now, we know officer said he shot first. they were creating an audio record. we don't know that to be true, but if you were concerned about a guy who is not wearing a seat belt in a car would tinted black windows why not get a position of cover and concealment? officer and order him out the car. what's the exigent circ*mstance where there had to be an ois to begin with? >> yeah. and i should note that these officers that you see there, they're on an administratively administrative leave right now while this is all being investigated, and

there is 30 days right now, is this investigation is going underway and we're hearing from dexter reads family including his mom today, and they believe that charges should be brought. this is what she had to say. >> which is riding around in his car. he's like mom when you hear from the mother. but you also know that multiple agencies are investigating this. i mean, what does this investigation look like and how do they decide if those actions were warranted or whether or not charges are warranted here officers to talk to use only that force necessary to overcome resistance. and i don't know what resistance they were overcoming as we can here, a pause in the gunfire, and then we hear them continued to shoot again. so that's problematic, but it's also problematic that this individual had a gun in his car. i mean, that doesn't help the scenario. why is he running

around what a gun in his car to begin with? because now it looks like there's culpability on both sides to go around, so i don't know what this investigation is ultimately going to glean. i don't know if it's going to be a training issue for the officers who are assigned to this tactical unit. it sounds like a specialized unit. did they have a plan? did they have a designated shooter? should they get into a shoot? don't shoot scenario. why we're all five officers shooting their guns to almost barrel meltdown in this situation over someone that wear a seat belt. it's all over the top for me yeah, we do know an officer was shot and injured. i mean, they're just still so many questions around this entire police video tonight, sergeant dorsey, we will obviously continue to have this conversation. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you >> there was a message from the families of american hostages after meeting with the vice president today, we need results. >> they said we're going to take you inside that meeting with a parent and someone who is the there to speak with the e

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white house. they've been tirelessly demanding results and their efforts to secure the release of all of the hostages >> joining me here tonight is ruby kin, who is the that white house meeting his 19-year-old, sunny tai and israeli american was killed by hamas october 7, something we've recently learned from the idf. and ruby, it's great to have you back here and i want to talk about your son, but first off, when you hear these comments from president biden today saying that he thinks is prime minister netanyahu has made mistakes. i wonder what you make of that >> first of all evening 186, 186 days of hell that we've been going slew and i met the vice president. what's all the families and we had from the vice president unwavering commitment and the administration to the release

of the hostages. and i think that's well, we are focused on in our discussions with the administration >> do you is there any hope you on that because now we are at that six month mark and i wonder when you have those conversations like you did in the room with the vice president today, if there is anything that they can update you, anything of substance that they have on the progress these talks have been making >> yeah. so we also had the opportunity to meet mr. jake sullivan yesterday, and he gave us more or less an update where at least two on the the offer that the us put on the table with the components that will update it. the israeli side accepted almost all of the components and egypt and qatar also believe that this is a fair deal. and now it's on hamas and if sinwar wants to

stop the war, that is going on, it's they simple to stop the fact that people are getting still kill. and we, they in gaza, that is very disappointing. and we feel for the palestinian people. he needs to accept the deal it's pretty simple >> i wonder what you think when you he's one of the leaders of hamas. he's the one who kind of has this offer and his hands. >> we were >> talking to dance scene or the other day and he was saying that what they have heard and their sense of things is that hamas actually feels like they have momentum on their side because of all of the international criticism of israel and the pressure on netanyahu and how this war is being conducted. they were actually arguing that they feel like hamas maybe feels like they have the i guess the upper hand is how you would put it no, i think that's very unfortunate that that is the

analysis. this is one of the things that we the family's delighted to the administration that let's not forget how they started let's not forget the fact that they'll the 15 different nationalities being held in captivity filled six months. it's not a is they'll issue it's not even a us issue. it's an international community issue. and i think the international community needs to come together and remember that fact and put all the pressure that it can on hamas to end this madness and to end this humanitarian crisis that is going on in gaza including the fact that they have been over six months. 133 hostages that were abducted, kidnapped with no visitation lights, no doctors seeing them. this needs stan and that's one simple way to wake to make it end. and to get a ceasefire sinwar, hamas, isis need to

release all the hostages, the living and the deceased. what type of savages take bodies and hold them as negotiation chips? is, that, islam does. that's the type of thing that people do. i find it hard to find anyone that believes that's now the way to respect the dead that were take in a negotiation chips >> and i mean, it's been six months now that we've now learned that your son was killed by hamas. and i know you were so fiercely proud of him. i remember the first time that you and i met we were talking about him and i know that getting his body bag is very important to you have you got any updates on that effort >> i met today with some law enforcement agencies here. he in washington that gave me an update and they all relentless and they claim that the us has a long memilih and it die

unfortunately joined 43 additional us citizens that were killed on october 7, and i would hope that the us public, imam is the fact that 44 citizens were killed by hamas, isis. and justice needs to be seen on that point >> ruby, i mean, i just there's no words and there's not really much that we can say if i am grateful that you're able to come on and talk about this. and also of course, to talk about your son and his memory thank you. >> good evening >> just one last note. ruby also reminded us who he's always carrying around an hourglass. he's been carrying it around since october 7. >> he >> said that on their way back to israel, their last trip, that it broke, that the sand leaked out of it and it was a few hours later they got that call, that knock on the door from the idf telling them about their son. of course, we hope that his memory is always a blessing, will continue to follow this very important

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